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ddevun · Aug 05, 2009, 01:28 AM // 01:28

Hiya. So, I've been farming feathers out of Jaya Bluff using this build:
Flare, Lava Font, Fire storm, Inferno, Glyph of Lesser Energy, Healing Breeze, Aura of Restoration.
Fire Magic: 12 + 3 + 1
Energy Storage: 9 + 1
Healing Prayers: 6

I'm kind of a n00b, so I've been experimenting to see what works. The problem I'm having is it takes me 20 minutes to clear the area, and three times through to get a stack of feathers (including feathered crests). So, that's about an hour for 10k. Everything I've read said I should be making twice that from Jaya Bluff. Can someone give me some pointers, or is my experience par for the course?

Bob Slydell · Aug 05, 2009, 02:38 AM // 02:38

If you have all the campaigns you should work towards better skills to give you a good, wide array of builds to choose from so you can farm other areas too. Feathers also drop north of Lion's Arch in Kryta (Prophecies) so if you have that game and access to more builds there are some good farms for out there.

I suck at farming myself. The only HM farm I can actually do is Hulkings outside of Ascalon City. Rest is simple NM farming, though, it does rake in OK cash.

snaek · Aug 05, 2009, 03:02 AM // 03:02

first of all, you don't have all your attribute points. either because your not level20, or you haven't done your attribute point quests yet.

second, you have no elite skill on your bar. also you have no fire attunement which will provide much better e-management than glyph of lesser energy. i also recommend obtaining pve skills if possible.

Divine Ashes · Aug 05, 2009, 03:11 AM // 03:11

You've also only listed 7 skills, so either you forgot one, or you need to add another skill to your bar (an elite).

ddevun · Aug 05, 2009, 03:21 AM // 03:21

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Originally Posted by snaek

first of all, you don't have all your attribute points. either because your not level20, or you haven't done your attribute point quests yet.

second, you have no elite skill on your bar. also you have no fire attunement which will provide much better e-management than glyph of lesser energy. i also recommend obtaining pve skills if possible.

Like I said, I'm a n00b. I'm still learning how all of this stuff works. I'm level 20, haven't done the attribute point quests yet. What elite skill would you recommend?

scythefromunder · Aug 05, 2009, 03:40 AM // 03:40

First, what campaigns do you own?
Edit: I would suggest to use Double Dragon, but before you bother to cap it, doing the att quests would help alot more than having an elite will IMO

ddevun · Aug 05, 2009, 04:02 AM // 04:02

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Originally Posted by scythefromunder

First, what campaigns do you own?

all of them...

tuna-fish_sushi · Aug 05, 2009, 04:11 AM // 04:11

Hmm, well there are a lot of builds.
I use:
Sandstorm
Earthquake
Aftershock
Stoneflesh Aura
Aura of Restoration
Glyph of Restoration
Balthazars Aura
-Optional-

I like adding Mindbender for the fast casting and boosted speed.

Sand storm and earthquake should kill if anything is alive wait for it to run back to you and use after shock. You can aggro 2-3 groups easily.

Bof · Aug 05, 2009, 06:20 AM // 06:20

Stoneflesh would just slow you down. I would suggest getting to the point you can go /rit and use spirit rift and ancestors rage. Its nm we are talking about they have like 300 hp.

superraptors · Aug 05, 2009, 07:39 AM // 07:39

since your a 'n00b' i would recommend vwk - vengeful was khanhei or whatever

thats all you need to farm the area, rest is optional skills ims , more damage , utility w/e
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poppu16 · Aug 05, 2009, 07:47 AM // 07:47

Take the build here (Farming FEATHERS section) ->
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...hlight=consets

10 min runs

Riot Narita · Aug 05, 2009, 07:55 AM // 07:55

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Originally Posted by ddevun

The problem I'm having is it takes me 20 minutes to clear the area

Aim for 10 minutes, then your drops/hour are doubled.

I use a Ranger, Vengeful was Khanei build. I tend to use a birthday cupcake to increase my running speed rather than a skill, otherwise my energy may not recharge fast enough between groups (other professions don't suffer such energy problems). If the run goes well, I'm done just as the cupcake runs out ie. 10 minutes.

I don't get anything like the 3-digit drops-per-run that some people claim though - usually about 60-80.

I tend to salvage scalps while I'm running between groups so I don't waste any time doing it in town or whatever.

Xiao Erh · Aug 05, 2009, 12:40 PM // 12:40

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Originally Posted by Hissy

Aim for 10 minutes, then your drops/hour are doubled.

I use a Ranger, Vengeful was Khanei build. I tend to use a birthday cupcake to increase my running speed rather than a skill, otherwise my energy may not recharge fast enough between groups (other professions don't suffer such energy problems). If the run goes well, I'm done just as the cupcake runs out ie. 10 minutes.

I don't get anything like the 3-digit drops-per-run that some people claim though - usually about 60-80.

I tend to salvage scalps while I'm running between groups so I don't waste any time doing it in town or whatever.

Obviously you are not doing the run properly else you will get more than 100 feathers after salvaging the scalps. I have averaged 15-20 minutes on my ele and just took her out on a run as I never timed my runs. It proves me right and I took a screenshot(see pic). There are a total of about 16 groups altogether across the frozen lake and usually you may have to pass through 1 or 2 groups of yetis that slows down the run. You can avoid some but not all. If it takes you 10 mins = 60 - 80 feathers than it makes sense to do 20 mins = 120 - 160 feathers.

After salvaging the scalps I got 163 feathers altogether.

Riot Narita · Aug 05, 2009, 02:48 PM // 14:48

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Originally Posted by Xiao Erh

Obviously you are not doing the run properly else you will get more than 100 feathers after salvaging the scalps. I have averaged 15-20 minutes on my ele and just took her out on a run as I never timed my runs. It proves me right and I took a screenshot(see pic). There are a total of about 16 groups altogether across the frozen lake and usually you may have to pass through 1 or 2 groups of yetis that slows down the run. You can avoid some but not all. If it takes you 10 mins = 60 - 80 feathers than it makes sense to do 20 mins = 120 - 160 feathers.

After salvaging the scalps I got 163 feathers altogether.

I don't doubt you, but I've no idea what I am doing "wrong", and indeed I'd love to find out. I've followed the routes shown in other threads, I've even taken time at the end of a run to go around the whole map, to make sure I haven't been persistently missing some groups.

Maybe I generally have bad luck, or maybe there's something about the method I use or the speed I kill the groups. Such things have been suggested many times by various people, although I'm not aware of any absolute proof either way. I get plenty of drops, just too many weapons/armour and not enough scalps/feathers. I can't remember ever getting over 100 feathers from one run.

Verene · Aug 05, 2009, 03:32 PM // 15:32

It's basically luck. I've had a few runs where every scalp (and I always have more scalps than actual feathers) salvaged into three feathers, and some where every one salvaged into 4 feathers. Sometimes they're stingier on their drops. When I use my Dervish in Jaya, I get 100-120 feathers on average. When I use my Ritualist, I get more like 120-150 per run.

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Anyway, to the OP, I would suggest going and doing the attribute quests ASAP. Those extra thirty points will be helpful. Maybe take your ele to the other campaigns to pick up some more skills. And just keep practicing at it.

Xiao Erh · Aug 05, 2009, 05:00 PM // 17:00

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Originally Posted by Hissy

I don't doubt you, but I've no idea what I am doing "wrong", and indeed I'd love to find out. I've followed the routes shown in other threads, I've even taken time at the end of a run to go around the whole map, to make sure I haven't been persistently missing some groups.

Maybe I generally have bad luck, or maybe there's something about the method I use or the speed I kill the groups. Such things have been suggested many times by various people, although I'm not aware of any absolute proof either way. I get plenty of drops, just too many weapons/armour and not enough scalps/feathers. I can't remember ever getting over 100 feathers from one run.

Personally I do believe it is the speed of kills that may be the cause. Common sense tells me that should 7 creatures die all at once, the software has to assign each drop(or none) per kill. How can it do that if all die at the same time? Then again many other threads has debated endlessly on this subject so I hope no one will respond to the above as again no conclusion will be made.

So in order you may want to satisfy yourself, why not slow down your kills and confirm once and for all what you think is the reason?

In another similar thread I did post a few pictures of my Ritualist using VwK build. She too got 160 plus feathers after the run. In fact both ele and rit chars consistently enjoys getting drops of about 20 feathers from 1 or more group kills within a run. This figure is already about 25% of your total drops. See the pics below where the first one shows at least 28 feathers minimum after salvaging the scalps.

ddevun · Aug 05, 2009, 10:41 PM // 22:41

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Originally Posted by Xiao Erh

Personally I do believe it is the speed of kills that may be the cause. Common sense tells me that should 7 creatures die all at once, the software has to assign each drop(or none) per kill. How can it do that if all die at the same time? Then again many other threads has debated endlessly on this subject so I hope no one will respond to the above as again no conclusion will be made.

So in order you may want to satisfy yourself, why not slow down your kills and confirm once and for all what you think is the reason?

That doesn't make sense to me, because with my current build most of them usually die at the same time, and every now and then every one of them drops feathers or crests. If it was a case of the game not being able to keep up, then it would consistently drop none or very few.

Anyway, I did my attribute point quests and am getting ready to try to capture Double Dragon. Hopefully that will improve my speed.

ok, so I got my run down to about ten minutes. Replaced Fire Storm with Double Dragon, Glyph of Lesser Energy with Fire Attunement, and I added Phoenix. I still have Lava Font on there, but I don't use it. DD, Phoenix, and Inferno kills most of them, then flare for whatever's left over (usually the ones who were standing out of range).

I think the crux of my problem was that I was having to wait for energy to regen. I still have the problem of getting less than 100 feathers per run, though. Maybe I'm just unlucky.

edit to say that I hardly ever get feathers as a drop, the vast majority of my feathers come from feathered crests.

Xiao Erh · Aug 06, 2009, 02:10 AM // 02:10

I am using Earth Build E/Mo

Earth Magic: 12 + 1 +3
Fire Magic: 5 + 1
Energy Storage: 8 + 3
Healing Prayers: 9

Blessed Insignias on all armors, Sup Vigor to Vitae Runes the rest.

EVAS
Flame Djinn's Haste
Stoneflesh Aura
Glyph Of Renewal
Sliver Armor
Healing Breeze
Choice of skill
Choice of skill

Xiao Erh · Aug 06, 2009, 01:25 PM // 13:25

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Originally Posted by ddevun

ok, so I got my run down to about ten minutes.

I was wondering why people are mentioning 10 minute runs in a number if threads regarding Jaya Bluff feather farm in normal mode. So I took my ranger for a test run through all the 16 or so groups passing every one including the single group on the hill. I missed the 3 groups between the bridge and tunnel because there were too many I aggroed. Nevertheless I survived the run in 6 minutes using birthday cupcakes and running skills. Perhaps more experienced runners can do better but if I had gone another 3 groups I missed my timing will be slower.

Conclusion? Taking 6 minutes away you have 4 minutes(240 seconds) to kill 16 groups and no yetis at all in the computation. That means you need to kill each group in 15 seconds? If anyone says they can do in 10 minutes after exiting Seitung Harbor I would be willing to give that person 100 platinum for proving me wrong. A neutral player should be present to witness the 10 minute run killing all Caromis.

superraptors · Aug 06, 2009, 01:56 PM // 13:56

i do my runs in aprox 10-11 mins...............nothing that hard, spirit rift -> ancestors rage easy...
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